Every Story is the Same

Every Story is the Same

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    what a fucking boring n worthless idea
    never found this thought remotely interesting
    always felt ppl who did were desperate 4 some sort of validation 2 their pseudo-intellectual smugness
    its like when ppl say "well, technically, EVERY videogame is an rpg bc u ROLEPLAY as a character"
    fuck off
    its so meaninglessly reductive and can only make sense when u split every single hair imaginable, which means u can break it w/ the same exact logic
    4 instance, "wonder what happened" boom theres a story w/ no end or beginning, i can easily argue that point, and immediately its not covered under this philosophy
    u can argue there IS a beginning/end or that it still somehow fits, but thats the fucking point, compartmentalizing concepts isn't fucking revolutionary n ur not some deep thinker 4 doing it
    its not a discussion, its not a debate
    its how fucking memory n learning work, and thats the absolute end of it
    this 'thought exercise' is literally only useful for recognizing what a story is, and if u legit needed help w/ that i doubt the functionality of ur sentience entirely
    just fyi

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    meander vh

    If you write a short film. Can you skip point 2, 4, 6 and 8? Because my stories are a bit long with this structure

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    Off Screen

    Hey Will!

    I linked to this video in my essay on the Hero's Journey:
    https://youtu.be/UinipY7Pkmk

    Thanks for the work you put into this!

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    Chi Pa Pa

    Porn movie directors need to know this.
    All the porn movies I saw have bad story. It's horrible.

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    Tomdeblink

    Are there any movies that completely break this structure? Memeto or Shutter Island or some horror/thriller movie perhaps?

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    P Em

    Thank you, very interesting.
    Many comments point out that not all stories follow this structure. But great stories do. They may not be literally divided in 8 compartments, but implicitly there is a something that the main character wants (even if it is just to fill a vacuum), otherwise he/she will never search for it and there will not be a "journey". And in this journey there are always challenges, confusion and chaos, in order to create growth/change. We crave meaning, and if the journey doesn't fill a purpose, then there is no story.

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    Korey M

    Native American folk tales don't have any Christian influence if you exclude what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes. But otherwise Dan Harmon forgot that bit…

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    Skyy Howard

    This PERFECTLY explains why the first season of One Tree Hill was spectacular and every. Single. Season. After that SUCKED. The writers were just making things happen with no end goal or purpose it was just… ugh

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    JML689

    Super eyepatch wolf has a fascinating antithesis to this "What makes a hero feel real". Not directly, but in similar subject.

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    Clarke Percival JaeBlood

    As soon as I heard thw voice of the narrator, I thought it was the guy from Improvement Pill.

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    Andi Tarigan

    Can you analyze Spirited Away movie? One of the greatest movie of all time. I see that the structure is different. First: "You", second: "Go" The main character doesn't want something but she is forced to go to unfamiliar situation. third: "Search" She adapts to new situation and realizes that other characters have their own problems and everything gets complicated. Fourth: "Find" When she tries to solve her problem, she instead solving everyone's problem accidently because of her sincerity, then she gets stronger. Fifth: "change" Now she solves her problem easily. Sixth: "return" She comes back to her world as a new better person.

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    Bryan McCormick

    seems the fundamental problem with this is it idealizes story elements… that your story must do 'this' means if the story doesn't do that then it's not a good story… but that's a value judgement, seems like its intended as a commercial lens for storyboarding expectant form then generalizing that progression as inherent and inevitable… but star wars is an example of classical myth it's not surprising it would adhere to a mythical structure, really disagree that those circular models are the end all to story telling… they're just the dogma begging to be subverted

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    Μιχάλης Κωνσταντινίδης

    is this why college years are far more interesting than normal life?

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    Jonathan Hatch

    Joseph Campbell is not a theologian. He has no degrees or expertise in that field. Taking long walks in the forest and then writing a book about your observations doesn't give you the right to refer to yourself as a biologist…

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    Mia Spark

    Thank you so much for this video! It made me hit some realisations and I will definitely come back to it when in struggle with writing

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    parodysam

    Immediately this isn’t universal, plenty of stories revolve around characters who got sucked into the plot without consent, those “I didn’t ask for this” cases. Another thing about #2 he describes NEED as they want something. It’s strange that a writer wouldn’t have a distinction between the two. A character wants something, they’re fine, but they seek/hope for something more. A character needs something, this is beyond whimsy or greed, the character seeks/hopes for something they can’t go on without. In many cases this distinction develops character. A character realizes that they have to go on a journey, whether they want to or not. Some of characters who started the story wanting something often seem like they caused the conflict upon further analysis. There’s a small amount of Rick and Morty that’s good writing beyond the comedic aspect. I don’t see why we’re treating Dan Harmon like some kind of genius for giving us his “simplified version” (I’m using quotes for emphasis, I’m not saying he said this) of pre-existing story models. I feel that focusing on such models usually results in crummier stories overall. However I do agree with Harmon that vindicators 3 was the worst episode.

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    k9hannibal

    Best. Video. Ever. On this topic. Easy to understand vs others I’ve seen. Great job! Thanks!!!! 👍🏼👍🏼

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    Kilgore Trout

    Why the hell do all stories have to be about people and their petty tribulations?
    I remember lots of stories from sci fi about grander themes than any one protagonist in the story.
    Do we always have to reduce the media to the minimum common denominator?

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    Kilgore Trout

    Not all stories are the same. We just have been brainwashed by the media to accept the same story over and over for the last 40 years or so.

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    Paul Moore

    I tried listing the basic plots; good vs. evil, boy meets girl, the evil twin, the stranger in town, destructive pride, etc. I got to about a dozen variations, but they all distilled into one story. It all comes back to discovering who we are and why we are here.

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    Sharpium

    Make beautiful videos, too bad I understand very little English, now have one more reason to learn english!

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    M

    This is the story of Osiris. The story of Marduk.

    The question is why? Why would they tell this story over and over again? For entertainment?

    They wanted to know truth and how they can preserve it for generations within the forces of order and chaos.

    You are American and see order and chaos fearing that Liberty is only a generation away from being lost. However, current culture makes it difficult to know what is right. So you go search for the deepest foundation of this American structure is and is not. What you can see is now what the dead founders saw, you give your vision to the corps of the past and become integrated with the founders. Now you can see how to defeat the ideas of the darkness with the ideas of the light to save a free society. You will soon also die and can only hope the future posterity of Liberty will be able to do the same because the forces of Oder and Chaos never die. If they cannot complete the journey then it’s over for our great experiment of liberty.

    That’s what I think.

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    Lina B

    What if the story alredy started in a uncomfort zone? Would the journey just sart at an other point of the circle or would the uncomfort zone would be the normal one cause the protagonist finds this uncomfort zone habitual, even if he isnt quite happy

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    Gregg Robinson

    The humanities don't operate like the sciences, in that the "laws" of art aren't universal and unbending; they're more like explications. So if you want to quibble with the universality of Campbell & Harmon's analytical scheme, you can certainly come up with exceptions. That doesn't invalidate it as a powerful analytical tool. And powerful tools are always to be desired.

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    Bozo

    Those eight words sound like a neanderthal giving a very basic motivational speech about going and getting what you want out of life.
    You need go search find take return change.
    It's like Eat. Pray. Love. for cavemen.

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    Robert Hendrix

    Very informative video. I’m wondering if this circle would still apply to an anti-hero’s story? Like Scarface, for example?

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    Gail Lewis

    I think the only story that doesn't follow this is that of Cincinnatus, who, after achieving greatness in battle just wants to go home and be a farmer again, so he does.

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    The Letter Bleeds

    I think you generalize a bit. Arthouse films or experimental stories do not always fit into this "every story is the same" thing. They are usually different and follow non-linear narratives and avoid conventional storytelling.

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    Elgin Subwaysurfer Bolling

    EVERY film maker needs ti know who Joeseph Campbell is
    i discovered him 30 years ago after watching him in the groundbreaking PBS special THE POWER OF MYTH with Bill Moyers

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    AngryBrother360

    "Excellent Mr. Schoder!.👏" You can tell how well someone understands their topic by how easily they explain it!.👍

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    PD Zombie

    Great video, but I dont like Star Wars as an example since it's the most used one to explain the heroe's journey… I would've love to see Die Hard explained… Thanx!!!

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    my tits

    the clickbaity nature of this makes me instinctively reflex, but it is still a pretty interesting video. it's not universal, but it is pervasive.
    i think you can simply the circle even more to "there needs to be change." if nothing of substance happens, it'll feel like the story was worthless. at the very least, the story should represent something to think about.

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    Karina Babe

    I've always said that. Every story basically says the same thing.. In different ways sort of.. I dunno I was on to something and got lost..

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    NeroLizard

    The monomyth is generally correct, especially Harmon's version, but certain highly resonating and popular stories do not fit into it. When do ANY of the necessary parts occur in "On the Road"? They don't. The characters don't change, they only ever briefly exit the comfort zone, they're constantly moving in a completely vertical fashion. You could fit the entire life of Kerouac into the monomyth, perhaps, but "On the Road" is a slice of it, it defies the monomyth when analyzed alone.

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    sourav singh

    i agree with the points mentioned in the cycle,its just that i disagree with order like the movie PRESTIGE by nolan"sometimes there are no clearly defined protagonist in the movie also the movie disagree with many points,maybe what don harmon is trying to say was right for most of the the movies before the 2000's,its even right today for many movies but you can't say it for every movie today..

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    Ashanti Ghania

    Not all stories. However, there are classifications. The Heroe's Journey is what's told most in post television Hollywood for the bulk of the audience is 17-24 years old where this pattern applies. If you're looking for originality, see films during Oscar season which is from October-December.

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    Earzentail

    So basically you have clickbaited us just to talk about the "Hero's Journey" archetype.

    Typical YouTube, nothing to see here.

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    Randall Jewell

    Stories are just reflections of people. There are common threads in everybody. What makes us human. But to generalize and say every story is the same I think is a bit of a stretch. Common structure and themes may always be there but just as every human needs to drink water not everyone has bottles of Dasani at home.

    Interesting if not a bit demoralizing.

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    Kishalay Sinha

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